Comments on: Silly Marketers: SEO is for Kids

By: david deangelo

david deangelo — Mon, 21 Jan 2008 10:14:30 +0000

Hi Tad,

I believe so. There are tons of SEO blogs out there. I don’t have a blog at the moment but I have an idea of the kind of blog(s) I will be launching

By: Social Media and Marketers: Learning to Play Nicely Together | Internet Bard

Wed, 16 Jan 2008 21:51:20 +0000

[...] marketer presence and behavior on social media sites continued with a couple of interesting posts. Tad of SEO2.0 had a direct response, and a post from Matt Bailey at Sitelogic spoke to the tendency of marketers to get a little too [...]

By: onreact

onreact — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 10:56:27 +0000

Brent, thank you for rephrasing the main points of your article. Still, you complain about a freshly sown plantation that you can’t reap it yet. It’s like complaining that SEO for Mahalo does not make sense due to not enough traffic or do make the point clearer, complaining in 2004 that writing for Wikipedia does not make sense.
Also you seem to be an SEM expert not an SEO or social media specialist. Thinking in short term campaigns might suit the avergae PPC client, but SEO 2.0 and indeed SEO and SMO already is not only long term, you got live it. You can’t start SEO in a a campaign and then expect results. Also companies approaching social media in short term campaigns will fail. Social media is about strategy. It’s about being there, being part of it and taking part in a not for marketing sense.
Sphinn and Mixx are very similar. Not only you will meet the same people here and there, Mixx is also a niche community by now. It’s not a topical niche, it’s a demographic niche. Every marketer lerans this as a basic during his education that the most important demographic group is the early adopter. Now here at Mixx you get 80% early adopters. I hope I do not have to explain to you why it is important to reach early adopters.

I found your article probably at Sphinn first as I start my day with Sphinn, while I read Mixx inbetween when my head is too dizzy to work and I need a break, but basically I found it on both on the same day. If it would make some sense I would have stumbled it, but it doesn’t. It’s the boring selfish marketing nagging “they cheated me, I didn’t get enough traffic” I read at least a dozen times.
You got to sow to reap.

david: Although you can express what I need a post for in one or two sentences, please stick to what you do. Seduction is a topic most people struggle with in these both rigid and oversexualized times. The alienation of the sexes is horrendous. I know people, even perfectly “normal” women, who stay single until their thirties without ever having a real partner. People must be taught how to deal with each other. This is truly important. On the other hand you got way too many SEO blogs nobody reads besides the SEOs themselves.

By: david deangelo

david deangelo — Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:27:18 +0000

@Tad: Thanks for the compliments! I like reading your blog as you make alot of sense. I have contemplating in writing a SEO/online marketing blog myself,and I am still contemplating :-)

@Gab: The only guarantee we have in life is paying tax and death I am feeling really smart and wise right now!.

By: Brent Csutoras

Brent Csutoras — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:13:44 +0000

Also can you please let me know where you saw the Silly Marketers post at.

Sphinn or Mixx?

By: Brent Csutoras

Brent Csutoras — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 23:05:24 +0000

Would like to make two points.

1. As i clearly indicated in the post, traffic is never really a metric for calculating success or ROI from a social media campaign. It doesn’t stick and it normally doesn’t convert. However, it is one of the only metrics you can actually measure. You may not be able to measure if all your links come from a social campaign or if all your conversions and RSS subs come from the campaign you launched, but you can tell by referral who came from what site.

I see the value of social media in getting visibility to content and gaining links first, and then branding, traffic, and conversion as a nice bonus if it comes.

But if the best you can hope for is about 100 visits at max, then it is hardly an avenue to spend time and energy on.

2. Sphinn and Mixx are entirely different sites and communities. One is niche and one is not. As a marketer you should always target niche communities that relate to your content or product even if it only brings a small amount of traffic since it converts so much better.

Mixx is an open ended news site that anyone can submit anything to. Sphinn is a niche community about Search Marketing. So if someone wanted to do a linkbait on Cars and Insurance I would probably send them away from a site like Sphinn.

Nice rant none the less.

Cheers

By: onreact

onreact — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 21:13:50 +0000

Exactly david.

Smarty: I would love to read it at your blog in your words. I often have the impression that you can express what I think better than me. Is this love? Probably only SEO 2.0? :-)

Gab, I forgot to link this here, which probably is the best answer:
http://seo2.0.onreact.com/12-reasons-to-join-mixx-and-abandon-digg

By: Gab "SEO ROI" Goldenberg

Gab "SEO ROI" Goldenberg — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 18:00:33 +0000

You’re assuming Mixx will grow. How is it any bigger/better than the other communities? Demographics? Topics? How it’s used? Features? Looks like a me2 offering, imho.

By: Seo Smarty

Seo Smarty — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:56:29 +0000

“I sumbmit someone elses post to Mixx, then s/he will post my stuff on Sphinn and thus I get stumbled, but that’s advanced SEO 2.0″

I was just thinking about posting on this so-to-say “indirect” value of SMM – you beat me on that :) Nicely put, thank you for the great post as always!

By: david deangelo

david deangelo — Tue, 15 Jan 2008 13:11:29 +0000

I think abandoning mixx now could be short sighted as you pointed out in the post. Since you are building relationships and authority, it would put you on good grounds when mixx attracts more people.

People like to follow the herd, and as mixx grows, others would like to follow with ever increasing momentum. The smart people are those who get in early rather than just follow.